@jancivil, I'd almost dare to call you dear but you seem like such a prickly pear at times (tbh you remind me a little of myself although we might be quite different in many ways). At almost 65 I imagine you have had if not a hard road, then maybe a more complex road to navigate than many others.You are surely right about that and a person taking better care of themselves will have figured it out a lot sooner than did I.Goodbye Jan.I came here to see some goodbyes, I've been around for 16+ yrs after all and I guess appropriately enough here is the signal example of why I cannot stand to hang anymore.
This moment was always going to happen, cause and effect.
Now who is going to be our resident kvr music theory professor?
Note well, I am only here (I'll have preferred to send a PM but I got tired of trying to see the user name anywhere and search was as useless as ever) to make these points after that rabid rant because some of that was flat lying, some of it pure shit which is where this will start.
I was called "elitist" as a slur. Now, I will have liked to have the advantages most people I attended conservatory (two whole years of, accumulating debt ultimately and still having to work for a living, at minimum wage meant dropping it) next to did, but in reality I didn't have a piano in the house except as furniture, as I grew up lower middle class in the southern US and I'd have had to show tremendous interest in the piano to lobby my father to buy any such thing. And what did I know.
I'd have liked to join a musical elite with my accomplishments eventually but, and I have said this more than once, it was always going to be a day late and a dollar short for me.
I got to conservatory, in fact was admitted to two major conservatories finally, after two years of classical guitar lessons. Because I'd woodshedded 8-10 hrs a day for that time and had a teacher to show me basics, tone production, proper left hand position etc. meaning I could kind of get by.
So I'm a freshman at CCM at age 21 since I began lessons at 18 and had decided on Cincinnati long before school starts anywhere. I wasn't long for being able to live with either parent and all I'd learned having dropped out of school at 16 in order to focus on it was to play electric guitar, and as I didn't have high hopes of a big rock 'n roll career or anything it was the_one_thing that could get me into university. Except for one individual proving the rule there, I had to be at the very bottom status-wise at this joint. Imposter syndrome.
Elitist? Grow TF up. You may mean 'gatekeeper' but this is your problem of understanding and naught to do with me.
But the thing that finally kept coming to mind was the dishonesty.
Let me be specific:Guess what? Notation has NEVER been anything more than a means to an end, where a someone or someone takes that shorthand which over time became the most well-known type of convention I can imagine and makes it sound the way they picture the composer of the time kinda sorta may have envisioned it. This gesture is pure bullshit. My elitist view is your stupid misconstruction of things you never read or never had the understanding to grasp and in your insecurity, and worse your incredible arrogance couldn't resist to post such fatuous drivel.Jan's elitist view reduces music to a subset.
High-brow western music developed in a time without recordings (or synths, samplers), and therefore relied on notation - thereby reducing it:
- melody
- harmony
- sound
- groove
Tech (along with influences from non-Western music) freed music of these obsolete restrictions, allowing artists to focus on any of the above.
If you had read me you will have noted my insatiable curiosity about things such as Indian Classical Music that aren't at all captured in Western Music Theory. The entry in Wiki article Just Intonation/"Indian Music" is my work. I've even fought people that dismissed it in favor of their narrow-minded hegemonic view. So f**k you specifically for targeting me and my 'elitist view'.
Notation is reductive, but the feint at the argument it reduces music is is all you trying to fob yourself off as knowing something when you demonstrate in every gesture you do not. I couldn't make up some shit as stupid as what you posted. And doubled-down in in that massive failure of awareness.You obviously miss the entire f**king point of studying it. Why would you posture regarding something you clearly know f**k-all about? So I went into it. "A trick of the trade" arrogantly dismissing something you never studied, or if you did try to you found it beyond your ken. No, it's not different in quality than building strength needed to function better at your instrument. It's not just to know how to avoid 'a wrong note', that's so incredibly dim of you.Music is art, the work of homo ludens.
While guidelines can be formulated, they can never be laws.
Art cannot be tamed, without losing its essence:
playful experimentation.
(And even if one choses to make music focused on melody and harmony, music theory isn't strictly required - it just helps people to avoid the 'wrong' notes/chords. A trick of the trade, that often encourages people to do things in one particular way.
Are you so ignorant as to think jazz swing is notated in a magical way so as to capture all the nuance in the thing? However advances have been made of late, the study of microrhythm, the spaces in between where something putatively lands on the page. Which if you do not grasp rhythmic notation well is going to be lost on you.
No serious student is going to have as her takeaway that 'oh shit, if I study baroque counterpoint (or even 4-part writing basically following principles of JS Bach) I have to do things this "one particular way". How old are you? By the time I was 18 and my first course in harmony I knew better. I did learn how specifically, but I can apply how to f**king part write however I like because it's my forte and I got some training in.*
"Music is art... cannot be tamed" Go f**k yourself. "they can never be laws" - you're using ME as a launch point for this perfect illustration of ignorance on parade? I never in my life argued there are "laws", there are however things a musician will need to know about style restrictions if they want that enhancement in their vocabulary obtained by getting those chops together. Your choice to remain fatally naive, but arguing this is just being a pratt and the full-on Dunning-Kruger Effect parade makes an ass of you, not me. Did you have even the intellectual curiosity or rigor to check out my music first? Rhetorical question unless you are quite literally deaf.
I have in fact said on numerous occasions that formal theory is not necessary to some people at all. Cases in point were 1) the best jazz musician I personally had any familarity with in my hometown didn't read and didn't even have any interest in chord names but was fully fluent in a style, bebop where one might think it was absolutely de rigeur. and 2) Paul McCartney. enuff said.
I needed it for specific things I was not going to pick up by ear, and by then had a damned good ear because I tirelessly picked things off of records. Where is your pseudo-intellectual bogus aesthetic there borne out? Poseur, phony baloney ignoramus. "Outsider Art", sure, put any one of those people's work beside Picasso. Picasso was *trained extensively so that by the time he had reached puberty he was a master. Would your argument be naivety is better, would it make your own seem valid to you? Who exactly do you think you're getting over on here.
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PS: "StudioDave" commented on something of mine at Youtube since I left here.
I'm not going to ignore the times you have come across as uncivil; but for the sake of commiseration I personally know what it's like to be a highly intelligent person among the stupid commoners through no fault of my own <joke!>. (Sorry, Dad: I know you tried to advise me about intellectual modesty among one's peers when I was young.)
Also, I grew up gay in small-town America during the times that I did, and nowadays I get that trans people are still not as well-accepted (which is strange to me, because as a science-fiction head I imagine genetic body-mods would be a widespread aspect of global fashion anyway by the end of this decade).
Plus I gather (this is just an observation) that many M-to-F people seem to have difficulty managing their hormones, social friction, or whatever in a way that makes them seem aggressive, violent, and murderous at times, whereas that doesn't seem to occur so often among F-to-M transitioners (I imagine or at least hope that cross-gender transitioners are already aware of this phenomenon/discrepancy and are discussing it among themselves.)
If, by some combination or confluence of happenstance regarding environment(s) and personal choices to cultivate talents into skills, you are now and have been in a position to teach or discuss some topics at an advanced level -- despite whatever countervailing difficulties (and from the viewpoint of a scattered slackard) -- I appreciate and congratulate you for that and I hope you have or find your crowd who appreciate you just as you are, and who help you to feel comfortable and accepted in this thing we call our life.
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